>>164 Thanks, iamerror. It's good to know my efforts have been appreciated. I actually wish I could've written my defense of non-con in fewer words, but such a heavy topic requires a bit of rhetoric, ne? If you like graphic novels, by the way, I recommend you read Alan Moore's "Lost Girls." Best celebration/defense of pornography I've ever seen in my life. >>166 Oh, this fic has bad characterization and writing. Let me make that clear. Like Heavy, suddenly trying to become a "nice guy." There is no way this new plot element will work. If it turns out he's genuinely being nice, then the story will be poorly written because there is no way a rapist could do a 180 like that. If it turns out to be some sort of trap, then it's just poor little Pyro being caught in yet another butcher-fest. One reason I haven't spoken out earlier on the hypocrisy of some of the commenters is because I lost faith in this story months ago. I want to make it clear that I no longer believe it can be cerebral, and the sparse hopes I did have was more due to EggWhites being trans and less the actual writing, like Bountry said. However, if you criticize "Discovery" for being unrealistic, I'm surprised you don't hate your own story as well. If it's unrealistic for Pyro to ask his rapists to go harder, then it's also unrealistic for Scout to go from hating being restrained by the Medic, to loving being restrained by the Medic, to vomiting from being raped by the Medic, and then suddenly asking for more the moment he's uncuffed. But that's what happens in "Addiction," the story you just promoted in your post. I don't think this story has gotten more hate than other fics because it's semi-realistic without being realistic enough. (For one thing, it's not realistic at all.) I think this story has gotten more hate because it doesn't have the kind of rape that most people on this chan likes. Like your fic, for example. In "Addiction," Scout is drugged so he ends up begging for sex with Medic. Therefore, he stops protesting, and it gives the illusion of consent. I also reposted a fic called "Domination" in the Class/You thread where a female Spy sneaks into the enemy Engie's workshop and rapes him, but then Engie decides he likes being submissive and goes back to her in a long term relationship. That story was received with aplomb, because Engie himself ended up ok with it. It was completely unrealistic that he'd be so ok with it, but no one complained because that way nobody had to feel guilty about enjoying his trauma. I've noticed that non-con fics tend to be better received overall if the victim of the rape ends up enjoying it emotionally, not just physically, with minimal violence involved. That's the kind of rape people here apparently want to read about. The kind where they can pretend rape isn't actually happening. That's what I mean by hypocrisy. I hate it when people try to justify the kind of rape fics they like by acting like it's better than other kinds of rape fics. "Oh, this fic has violent rape! That's not right! I only write fics where someone is drugged." "Oh, the victim's crying? But that's too depressing! I want him to consent every time after the first time!" "Oh, this fic has trans rape! That's horrible! I've liked dozens of gay male rape fics here, but trans rape? Now that's just wrong!" No, they're all equally inviable. None of them are immoral, because they're all fantasies, but one kind of non-con isn't inherently "more acceptable" than the other. I will acknowledge that one other big reason Eggwhites got so much criticism is because he said he wanted to make his story cerebral. This is the worst thing non-literary porn writers can do to themselves, because it causes them to be held to actual story standards instead of porn standards. You can't claim to write an intelligent story and then use the "it's just afanfic" defense. That's just irresponsible. And it was also irresponsible not to have a non-con disclaimer, so people who might trigger could know to avoid this page. But with all due respect, Cyan, this is exactly the kind of hypocrisy I'm talking about. You say that this fic is a semi "serious!fic" because it conveys the fact that Pyro's in a bad situation and tries to get us to sympathize with him. (Wouldn't he need a personality for us to sympathize with him first?) So Pyro crying is too much, but Scout having his brain altered is a-ok? Pyro feeling bad is "serious" but Scout getting drugged is somehow not?